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  • 2/23/08
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Hi Mix, a friend forwarded this video and website to me. I have not had time to really look around and see whether I agree with some of the articles and information here. I would be interested to read your take if you have the opportunity to watch and also to read. Scroll down the page and to the right are some other articles. From what I can determine at first glance, there seems to be a focus on anti-government funded healthcare. You are certainly more knowledgeable than I am, so please post your take on it. Thanks.

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

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  • 2/23/08
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Hi Assoc,

I just skimmed some of the Op-Ed pieces.  It's the same old drivel dressed up for the new millenium.  It talks about consumer driven health care.  Not possible when you can't find out costs in advance and the system is rigged.

Yes, there may have been one guy or twenty from Canada who came here to get surgery.  It's been proven over over again that the wait in Canda for NECESSARY surgery is no longer than the wait here. Canadians and others who do opt for treatment in the U.S. are multi-millionaires who pay out of pocket.  I noticed the writer didn't mention the number of Americans with Canadian dual citizenship who cross the border for medical care.

 If half of what the writer holds to be true regarding healthcare is real why are more than 500,000 American going to Thailand, India, Mexico and Costa Rica for procedures they can't afford in this country, even with health insurance.

Unfortunately, this webstite is just one more effort to discredit Michael Moore and his movie, Sicko.

I'm almost finished reading Overtreated by Shannon Brownlee.  She's a very well respected medical journalist.  The book is facinating in it's the flip side of being underinsured.  People with insurance often get too many tests and procedures, many of which do more harm than good.  She goes into great detail about so called medical breakthroughs that weren't.  Among them hormone replacement therapy, bone marrow transplants for #### cancer, angioplasty (prior to a heat attack).  Inserting stents have been show NOT to prevent heart attacks and the new drug coated stents sold to doctors as preventing clots, actually create them. 

The overuse of scans (CT, PET, MRI, etc., ) seem to be responsible for increasing cancer rates. The whole story isn't in yet though many senior radiologist are expressing concern at the long term effect of these tests.

Much of what we've be taught to swallow as preventive medicine is useless.  Just creates income for hospitals and doctors and costs for patients, more and more of which is not being picked up by insurance companies.

Thanks for posting the site.  It's good to know what's out there. 

 

 

 

 

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  • 2/24/08
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Thanks, that was my initial thinking on it too. First, the friend who sent to me, I know her leanings and so the sites she would be likely to forward, and secondly, it was slamming Sicko on one of the pages. I know there are many who disagree with Michael Moore, but personally, I think someone has to stir it up, otherwise we become even more complacent. Oh wait, maybe that is what is wanted :)

Lots of misinformation out there. I get forwarded stuff all of the time that the sender does not research in any way or confirm with Snopes but because it slams a Democrat or a more liberal thinking person, it apparently is fair game. I got one (actually forwarded to me twice) about Nancy Pelosi that was just absurd.

I feel quite fortunate to have the doctors I have. Both are women who spend time with me, listen, and ask questions. They know lifestyle has a huge impact on our health and we have open discussions about that. Of course, genetics plays a part, I am finding that out in the past couple of years with cholesterol and others. Neither is inclined to do tests unnecessarily or prescribe unneeded medicine. We have a good relationship and they both have said on many occasions to me that they wish all of their patients read and stay informed like I do. My daughter's friend is a 3rd year resident and she shoots straight from the hip too, she has also helped us with animal health!

Thanks for cutting to the chase on this website.

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  • 2/24/08
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It's good news that you had a good medical team.  There are good docs, just often hard to find.   Actually, there are some amazing similarities between human and animal health. My pooch gets thyroid medication and an occasional benedryl for sinus and allergy issues.

The flip side of free speech is that people can say anything to try and make a point without having to back it up with facts.   There's no doubt that there's a Republican backlash against the universal healthcare movement.  What amazes me is that those who scream the loudest have insurance paid for by their employers and are shielded from the reality the rest of us face. Or, they have set up their own comporations and have group policies that are tax deductible to the comapny.

A few weeks ago on Fox, after a heated discussion on the cost of universal care  one of the commentators said "but you  have to remember, we at this table are privileged".  The moderation shut her up in a hurry.

It's not as if Republicans don't get sick.  In fact, John McCain has acknowledge that many of his constituents confront him about their inability to afford healthcare, even with Medicare.

Ever wonder why the healthcare question doesn't't show up on a list of top concerns of Republican voters?  Because it isn't asked!! Talk about skewing the results.

Every chance we get we must debunk website like the one sent to you.  People are entitled to their opinions, but opinions are best shaped by facts not fancy.

It's no different than the politician or preacher who screams family values, only to be caught with a hooker.  Do what I say, not what I do is prevalent in politics.  We just have keep reminding the politicos that we, the people, matter.

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